sources.list and "extra" SB packages etc

[batkiwi]

-could you post your default apt sources file? I'm wondering if you have non-us and all that stuff, and also if you have unstable/etc in there but default-dist set to stable, or if it's JUST stable in there.

-is there a local SB apt-cache mirror? If not, there should be :) Take some load off the free servers

-So on redhat (my current) there were the two extra redhat packages. The ssh server on port blahblah and the other thingie. NOTHING against you guys, but no way I'm running those. Are those debs that i can remove with dpkg (as I did in redhat) or are they just installed?

IF they're just installed where are they? /usr/local as they should be (non dist stuff) and easily removable?

I'm looking to switch to debian after being f'd by fedora (long story, check the fedora list last month for my name to see details) basically where they've declared DONT use yum or apt-get to go from FC1 to FC2, you "must" boot to the cd. BLARG. Get me to a REAL distro any day.

I feel like such a jerk for advocating FC to friends too... blah long story like i said :P

[QT]

Originally posted by batkiwi
-could you post your default apt sources file? I'm wondering if you have non-us and all that stuff, and also if you have unstable/etc in there but default-dist set to stable, or if it's JUST stable in there.


# Main
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
# Source
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
# Security
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free

Originally posted by batkiwi
-is there a local SB apt-cache mirror? If not, there should be :) Take some load off the free servers

Not at this time.
Originally posted by batkiwi
-So on redhat (my current) there were the two extra redhat packages. The ssh server on port blahblah and the other thingie. NOTHING against you guys, but no way I'm running those. Are those debs that i can remove with dpkg (as I did in redhat) or are they just installed?
IF they're just installed where are they? /usr/local as they should be (non dist stuff) and easily removable?

The only "extra" packages installed on Red Hat servers are the sbadm daemon and rhncheck (notifies you of RHN updates). The sbadm daemon is installed on Debian servers as well, but can be disabled by removing the run level links to the init script.

[batkiwi]

Thanks :) Prolly upping to a 2x80gig hd server soon.

Do you guys have any thoughts on the RH upgrade situation, or are you just as irked as "we" are?

[knightfoo]

I'm irked as hell. ;) We had to go through all that trouble to develop for Fedora and Debian and .. just kidding. There is a silver lining to the RH situation: it has forced people to realize that there are other Linux distributions out there, especially the hosting providers. Many providers did not consider anything besides Red Hat until their customers started leaving because they didn't want to pay the extra licensing cost. Now consumers also realize there are other options because they see more providers offering Fedora, Debian, SuSE, etc. Overall it might be a pretty good thing for the Linux community.

-knightfoo

[batkiwi]

Originally posted by knightfoo
I'm irked as hell. ;) We had to go through all that trouble to develop for Fedora and Debian and .. just kidding. There is a silver lining to the RH situation: it has forced people to realize that there are other Linux distributions out there, especially the hosting providers. Many providers did not consider anything besides Red Hat until their customers started leaving because they didn't want to pay the extra licensing cost. Now consumers also realize there are other options because they see more providers offering Fedora, Debian, SuSE, etc. Overall it might be a pretty good thing for the Linux community.

-knightfoo

It took me to try out debian at home, and now I love it. My biggest problem was not flubbing the install, but their new installer works just as well as fedora's. Not QUITE as well as mandrake's, but that's asking a lot :)

[bow-wow]

Originally posted by batkiwi
It took me to try out debian at home, and now I love it. My biggest problem was not flubbing the install, but their new installer works just as well as fedora's. Not QUITE as well as mandrake's, but that's asking a lot :) I used to be a RedHat user. I agree with what Knightfoo said, I would probably still be using the latest RH release all around if it wasn't for the change. Not that using RH is a bad thing, but I have discovered so much since I quit using it as my defacto linux install. I have a debian server at SB, but ever since I discovered Gentoo I've been completely hooked on it (for my desktop system anyway). I'd always been curious about Slackware and after exploring it further I've found I love it for servers. Debian has it's own advantages and disadvantages, but I'm learning to love it :)