hard work??

[adb22791]

Hope I posted this in the right place...
So I'm looking at getting a dedicated server, to run Teamspeak, CS:S 24 slot server, (and maybe another 10 slot), and a web server.
Looking at the starter/power servers. I figured anything is better than hosting on my old computer (where I used to host a game server).
So here's my question:
I want to run Linux, but I'm wondering if the dedicated server will be too complicated. I'm a novice computer user, can find my way around linux pretty well, and I don't have problems installing servers or things on the servers (if I have directions). Example: Mani Admin Plugin for my counterstrike:source server and PHPbb for my site forums.
So do you guys think a dedicated server would be too hard for me to maintain? Thanks, hope I posted this in the right place.

[GaryO]

I may not be that much help but then I may.

When I called up Server Beach I really knew nothing of linux really. I am an HTML and Javascript guy. I could script up a site in no time but to run a server I had no clue.

Well I went with a Power2200 Dedicated Server. I had a few bumps in the road. Like I had no clue what putty was. Now it is my best friend lol. Server Beach and everyone at this forum made it easy on me. helping me learn what I did not know. i still learn from them.

Everytime I emailed the tech support they helped me. Even if they really did not have to. They would go out of there way to help me out.

I am now updating my server. using SSH clients to edit files and what not. And I owe it all to Server Beach and this fourm full of great people. I say go for it! You will be happy you did.

As for the PHPBB forum thing. It is a breeze to upload and install. I believe if you get the control panel Cpanel it has it already to go for you with a few clicks of a button.

[adb22791]

First off, thanks GaryO, I am also basically a web designer. The hosting company I use right now only offers me 200MB for $20 a month, and I'd like to add game servers to my site (which would end up being an additional $45 a month), so the value of server beach alone is worth it.

Then, Couple of questions...
First: How much do support tickets cost?
Second: How much is each secondary IP?
Third: Which OS do all of you reccomend?
Something to keep in mind... I am limited on the money I can spend :)
thanks, you're all a very big help!

[DXD]

First off, thanks GaryO, I am also basically a web designer. The hosting company I use right now only offers me 200MB for $20 a month, and I'd like to add game servers to my site (which would end up being an additional $45 a month), so the value of server beach alone is worth it.

Then, Couple of questions...
First: How much do support tickets cost? You get 3 free when you buy your server, then they are $15 for 1, $50 for 5, $100 for 10, $200 for 20, $500 for 50


Second: How much is each secondary IP?$2.50 a month


Third: Which OS do all of you reccomend?I recommend which ever OS your most confortable with. Keeping in mine Linux is mostly if not all command line and windows is all GUI. Personal I use Windows 2003 Server.


Something to keep in mind... I am limited on the money I can spend :)
thanks, you're all a very big help!

[digi]

I too didn't know much about Linux but just reading and so forth I learned the essentials pretty quickly.

I have my webserver running with a few games that I load when I feel like playing with friends (dedicated server) and its all pretty simple once you learn the basics, and most dedicated servers come with instructions on what ssh commands you need to run.

[GaryO]

I went with Linux because of a few reasons. Uptime without reboot is one. I rebooted my server just to make sure it would reboot for the move. Other then that it has never been restarted and I have had it sense Jan 11

I have never ran any other server though so I can not compare. Control panel I use plesk but I am researching going to Cpanel.............

[adb22791]

I recommend which ever OS your most confortable with. Keeping in mine Linux is mostly if not all command line and windows is all GUI. Personal I use Windows 2003 Server.

So can you edit files in Linux? I'm ok with command line, and I'm sure a quick trip to the book store or a quick google search can find me the commands I need, but how can you edit files? Is there a way to do it through SSH or do you set up an FTP server and just download the file to your computer, make a change, then reupload it?
Or am I missing something?

And one last thing:
If I do this I was going to go with webmin. Now that I've seen cpanel, I'm not so sure. Is cpanel worth the extra money?
Thanks!

[GaryO]

I use VI to edit files(like putty config, and stuff). I use Putty as my SSH client(love it) Then CD to the folder I need to and then VI "filename" Edit it and save it. Good to go.

If it is a web site I need to edit. Say a message board or a site needs a few pages added. I use FTP or if it is a quick fix and I am in the plesk CP I use the file manager. But to upload programs to any domain I use SSH. Just so much faster lol. I mean FAST!

Funny 3 months ago this was all greek to me LMAO.

Also I should add you can edit anything on your box. It is yours to edit. some things you will not want to mess with. You can get some nice linux books for 30 to 50 bucks and get a fendora 3 book for 60 bucks. That is what I will be getting here soon. I want to upgrade to Fendora 3 when Server Beach says they have it ready to go.

[QT]

So can you edit files in Linux? I'm ok with command line, and I'm sure a quick trip to the book store or a quick google search can find me the commands I need, but how can you edit files? Is there a way to do it through SSH or do you set up an FTP server and just download the file to your computer, make a change, then reupload it?
Or am I missing something?

A couple of threads to help you along the way:

http://forums.serverbeach.com/showthread.php?t=1537
http://forums.serverbeach.com/showthread.php?t=2179
http://forums.serverbeach.com/showthread.php?t=4610

Hop over to the HowTo's forum, there's a lot of good info over there. :)

[brady474747]

"So can you edit files in Linux?"

Sorry, that just cracked me up. Yes, it has had that capability since oh, about 1991, or you could just say it was born with it :)

[adb22791]

"So can you edit files in Linux?"

Sorry, that just cracked me up. Yes, it has had that capability since oh, about 1991, or you could just say it was born with it :)

Heh, woops. I meant you can edit files via the Linux command line...
Thanks for answering my noobish question :D
Now the last question:
Red Hat Linux, Debian, or Fedora Core?

[brady474747]

vi

[brady474747]

ditto on what gary said with ssh and loading stuff on your server, if you wget from an unbusy server, you will be like, 'I can't believe that transfered already'. Even with webmin, in order to mess with a linux server you need to know how to at least minimally use:

ssh(and putty if your home boxen are windows)
man
vi
iptables
wget
cd
ls
tar (usually only ever need -xvzf but knowing more is always handy)
how to stop and start ssh, web, mail, ftp, and db services for your distro of choice

The good thing is that webmin uses it's own miniserver on it's own port so even if you hose apache and ssh, you can still get in through webmin. It is really not that hard, before you know it, you will be editing faster in vi than you can in notepad, or gasp, Word. Anyway, good luck with it.

[adb22791]

Alright, most of the stuff you posted I know how to do, and again I could probably get a book to read about it...
now what OS should I go with? Red Hat, Debian, or Fedora Core (and if Fedora Core, Fedora Core 1 or 2?). Thanks!

[brady474747]

I just started on my first debian server and I love it, but if you are just starting, you might want to go with redhat so you will have the full complement of control panel options. Makes it much easier. Cpanel, two clicks and you have a domain an email address forwarded and autoreplied. On my new debian server I have been googling and scripting for two days trying to hack together some autoreply stuff to use with postfix-mysql virtual users. Anyway, good luck with it. If you are like me it is fun

[digi]

I have redhat w/ Cpanel and WHMAutopilot running to automate new signups.

Only time I've had to reboot was when I, stupidly, forgot to open some ports on my firewall and locked myself out of WHM/CPANEL/HTTP so I had to edit it and reboot. Outside of that its been running for quite a while.

[adb22791]

Nobody uses fedora core or webmin????

[GaryO]

I use fedora core 1 and Plesk Reloaded CP. I love Fedora and it was easy for me to learn. I am going to be upgrading to Fedora 2 soon though.

I like Plesk and it was a good teaching tool but now I want CP. If I had to do it over and knew what I knew now I would have went Cpanel. Just more comes with it for your buck.

I have only restarted once and that was to test out the restart for the move